830 women die every day from preventable causes related to pregnancy - Enya Seguin is on a mission to change that using AI

What I was doing is completely illegal and that that's a little, you know, fun mishap, especially at 19 years old and, you know, first time in Kenya thinking, great, I'm gonna, how are we gonna penetrate the market? How are we gonna get, you know, early adoption? Alright, well let's go to the source. Let's, who's our target users?

Okay. It's, it's like low income, looked middle income class. And let's go to the biggest urban slum in the country and let's start handing out flyers with QR codes. That's totally not acceptable by, by local authorities. I mean, you can't just, you can't just, you know, roll up into a community and do that over there Every day.

830 women die from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth. But Inya s, again, founder of Baby Checker, is looking to change that. Baby Checker is a smartphone-based ultrasound probe that uses. AI automatically to detect pregnancy risk factors. That's right. An app that uses artificial intelligence to allow for safer pregnancies.

In this episode, we talk about what culture shocks Inya had when she first moved to the Netherlands. Her experience moving to Kenya and approaching pregnant women to see if they'd be interested in using her app. And we also have a special Gues Buster Franken. He joins us he joins us on the discussion and we have a lot of laughs with Buster.

I love to hear your thoughts about this episode. As you listen, you can find me on LinkedIn under Eric Milmore Milour. I can't even get my own, my own last name, right? Tag me, say hello. Let me know that you're listening. And now let's chat with Inya. And yeah. Thank you so much for being on. Innovators Can Laugh now.

I already know something about you. You are a Janice Joplin fan. One of your favorite songs is me and Robbie McGee. But what is something else that's interesting about you that most people don't know? Something interesting about me that would actually surprise. Most people is that even after almost a decade of traveling across the Haran Africa, I still cry in almost every airport and every flight out of the continent.

Right. Okay. Are you worried about something? Like what gives you that anxiety or stress? I'm emotionally emotional. What can I say? I'm just really emotional. All right. Okay. My, do you have like a teddy bear or do you use something to console you, or what do you do to get over this? It's joy. It's pure joy.

So I can get over it by just coming back. You forget a few weeks later. Okay. So I had it wrong. I bet there were tears of sadness, but there are tears of joy. Okay. No, no, no, no. The, the Janice Joplin segue into what's most interesting about me should have indicated there's a lot of joy in this. Okay. Okay.

You know, I gotta ask Buster, do you cry when you get on an airplane and leave the continent too, Buster? Oh, boy. No. I, I, I, I close my eyes, I get a little bit nauseous, but that's about it. No. Okay. Alright. Definitely crying. All right. Now Inia, we're gonna get into baby checker in just a little bit, but I wanna talk about your, your background first.

So, where were you born and how did that shape your view of the world? So, I was born in Montreal, which is a. Amazing city in the French speaking part of Canada and moved around since I was a kid. So didn't spend much time in Canada, actually moved around in in Europe and came to the Netherlands eventually a couple years ago, well, more than a couple years ago now to study and then basically stayed here, you know, co-founded a startup and now of course I'm doing baby checker.

And I think that sort of moving around lifestyle, going to school with a lot of international people. Well shaped everything that I do today. I think it makes you really adaptable to different environments and makes you really open and perceptive on the world, and it makes you learn that you, there's a lot you don't know, so I know that, I don't know in every environment I get into, I think that's, that was really shaped by that upbringing.

Yeah. Did you have any big culture shocks when you moved to the Netherlands? Yes. Was it like food related? Was it how people treated one another? Like what was it? Yeah, I think the, I mean the typical things, I think you've spoken to a few Dutch people on your podcast so far, so I think that these things may have come up, but the directness is definitely, I think it's more appreciated from my end at least.

And then other, you know, expats or people coming into the Netherlands may say, I appreciate it a lot actually. Especially in the professional world. I think more so than the pers my personal life, but I think it's like something I really enjoy. Cultural shock could be also, yeah, the food, I mean, I'm a massive foodie and, and I, I don't think most Dutch people come across as massive foodie just accentuated.

I feel like I'm more of a foodie than I've ever been. 'cause, 'cause of living in, in a country where, yeah, food is pretty, pretty square functional. It's like need to survive. I eat to thrive. And I think that's a big cultural difference. No, definitely Dutch. Dutch cuisine is basically limited to anything that can be put in a little, little jacket of dough and then beep fried.

Yeah. So you don't go out to like satisfy your, you know, your craving of tasting a delicious meal. It's just more like outta necessity, is that what you're saying? Oh no, it's not what I'm saying. I, I, I think, think most Dutch people have come around by now, but, but you can't like just make up a couple of hundred years of, of cultural and cuisine development.

So we just import cuisines from around the world. I think that, I think we do that relatively successful. Would you say internet? Absolute touch it. It's such a rational, functional mindset through and through in this country, which is why I love it. Honestly. I think people are very focused on the optimizing things and making it as efficient as possible.

But with a hint of craziness unlike 'cause. What the first part was the more like what people say about Germans, you know? But in the Netherlands you get this other more nuanced, fun, vibrant lifestyle that that is like, yeah, the nice little cocktail with the more functional I. Stuff. All right. All right.

Now, how did people welcome you over there? I mean, you said you went there to study at uni. Were other students very receptive of you? Did you make a lot of friends? Pretty easily. And when did you meet Buster? How did that, how did, how did that first, first interaction come about? Well, uni was an extension of being in an international environment in high school, basically.

So I came into a program of political science full of international students. So it was basically just. Into my, you know, the same, the same sort of familiar environment except now actually studying something I enjoy and wanted to study. So, so yeah, that was great. Can't say I made many. I can count on one hand how many Dutch friends I made.

Yeah. It's a thing. Mostly people from all around the world. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a thing for sure. And then Buster and I met not sure where the timeline is on that, but we met by being both part of Sigma. Yeah. Which is a great community worldwide that, that Buster leads in the, in the Netherlands. Yeah.

Yeah. This is the Sigma Square Society, correct? That's correct. Yeah. But, but yeah. But, and yeah, about the, like making Dutch friends, I think this is actually something that's like quite, quite interesting because I of course don't have those experience, but like, can you describe like why that is, why that is difficult?

I'm, I'm sure you like reflected on this, like breaking into the friend groups or something like that. Yeah, absolutely. But, and, and you know, that being said, I think that happens in every country. I think if you go. Study abroad anyway. The, the, you know, the, the kids that are from the block are, are gonna be more interested in their friends that they've had forever than, than really making new friends.

Although there are some, of course, there's some exceptions, but if you go to uni and you know, you're from that city, you're most likely gonna still be living with your parents. So your friends are still around. Your friends from high school, even kindergarten are, are still around. You already have your hobbies that you've already are still picking up from high school.

So it's just completely different lifestyles. So that means, you know, as soon as you get into uni, I'm starting a light in this new country, whereas you're just continuing the same life just with different I. Classes at a different institution. So that's, that's the big biggest difference. Intro week we were all together and that was the last time I saw most Dutch people outside of class because they, they all went into their hockey association and their fraternities and their sororities, which international students were not even told existed.

Oh, okay. So that was kind of the, well, how is it now though? It seems like you do have some Dutch friends now. Has it gotten better? I'm no strong. But yeah, like all the, all my international friends left. Right? So I have, I have no choice. I have to, I have to meet people like Buster who are, you know, born and bred.

You think some of the least good Dutch, Dutch, Dutch people? Yeah. Well, Buster seems like a, a gray Dutch to have. Yeah. Can say that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So in India, I noticed something else. You are the co-founder of Y. And I think I said that correct. And this is an app that connects African health seekers to medical advisors worldwide.

Tell us about this. I mean, when did you get the idea, the inspiration for creating such a a, a tool? So university, I was getting more involved in the global public health courses outside of doing political science and then just becoming more familiar with the role of. Digital health platforms, which was really at that point, like, what is that 2017 that was really new.

Like digital health. Anything in Subsaharan Africa was really, I mean, it was such a niche market and I was hearing about some very like old school methods of using s m S to. Text midwives for midwives to text of patients. Mm-hmm. And I mean, to, for, to, not to be too cliche, but, and then I thought, well, what can we, what if we can make an app for that?

So basically just. All the, the foundation of all of it is, is, you know, what, if we can leverage mobile technology and the penetration that mobile technology was having at the time and continues to have in, especially in East Africa at the time, what if we can do that to increase access to healthcare? And there was people became my co-founders.

Who were also kind of developing that concept. And then we developed the together, which means second option in Swahili since we started mostly in East Africa. And Swahili is a very, very common language, well, all over the continent really. And second option really came from the, the aspect of, you know, if you have a medical emergency, go to your doctor, go to the hospital.

Digital health, even today, won't have the capabilities of replacing a medical system, right? But what it can do is it can help prevent, it can help with second options or second opinion diagnoses. It can really be leveraged. I mean, the sky's the limit. So that's, that was a thought behind it. After a quick break, ina and I talk about what her parents said about her moving to Kenya.

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As a Texas expat living in Europe, sign up for the newsletter at Innovators Can laugh. Dot com. Welcome back to my conversation with Inya. As a parent, I am so curious to what her parents thought about her moving to Kenya. I also wanted to know what kind of success she was having with the app. So let's continue our conversation with Inya.

What about the adoption factor? Were you on the ground trying to get people to start using this and experimenting with it? Yeah, yeah, definitely. On the grounds. I was walking through Lan, GATA and Kibera, which is, I think, Still now one of the largest urban slums in the, on the continent, handing out flyers and encouraging people to sign up for the app, just to find out that what I was doing was completely illegal.

And that that's a little, you know, fun mishap. Especially at 19 years old and, you know, first time in Kenya thinking, great, I'm gonna, how are we gonna penetrate the market? How are we gonna get, you know, early adoption? Alright, well let's go to the source. What's, who's our target users? Okay. It's like low income, low to middle income class, and let's go to the biggest urban slum in the country and let's start handing out flyers with QR codes.

And that's totally not acceptable by, by local authorities. And you can't just. You can't just, you know, roll up into a community and do that over there. So yeah. Learned a lot. But that, that's the first visual that came to mind when you asked that question. Okay. As a parent, I've gotta ask like, how did you pitch this to your parent?

What did they say? Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I, a great statement in general because I think. And also to make it more broad, the largest part that makes me me and that hasn't continued to make me, me is the upbringing of just kind of being free. My mom's gonna hate hearing that, but I was very free as a kid, very fearless, just kind of doing whatever I really felt like on the moment.

Not really, you know, being, being restricted in that many ways. So I think that was also her vibe in, in just letting me grow. It's like, do whatever, you know, your intuition. Follow your intuition and have fun. Why? Why, why, why is your mom gonna hate searing that? Because I think every parent wants to kind of put forth that they, you know, that they, that they were, you know, disciplinarian and that they, that their job as a parent to control and restrict wherever they was possible and to, you know, and, and, and, yeah.

I mean, I was a very free kid. I didn't have that many restrictions. Buster, she doesn't have the boxing background that you do. Okay. So, you know, that's one thing at least I'm assuming doesn't once or twice.

Okay. But, so, okay. Let's, let's just, let's just try to, I'm trying to imagine this. You're walking around, as you said, in the slums of these cities doing something that you don't really have approval from the government, right? Yeah. What were you telling these women and what was their reaction like? Like for every 10 women to like two or three say, yeah, I'll try it.

Let me use the app. What was your success rate like or failure rate? I think everyone who had a smartphone and who had mobile data access the app. What did you tell 'em to, to get them, to persuade them to try it? I basically, well, I engaged in a lot of conversations about, 'cause you know, we were still trying to see what our market was like.

Are we going to be a. An app for maternal health or mental health or chronic illness management. We were still really unsure about that. Like we, we launched this very broad peer-to-peer platform in seven countries. That was just with, you know, doctors with tropical medicine backgrounds, nurses, psychologists, like a bunch of different types of health professionals.

Just kind of let it, you know, fly like me as a kid. We just let it happen. And it was, it was partially because we weren't too sure about what the best approach was, but also it was our approach in, in testing the market, seeing what, what was needed out there. I mean, it was the first platform to engage international medical professionals with health seekers in Africa and do, and do that cross-border.

We were the first ones to do that. So we had to see what was up in the market, what did people want. So that was the conversations I was having is what's, what are your limitations right now? So going up to pregnant women saying, Hey, are you getting all the health advice you need at the moment? And, and listening to her tell me, you know, yeah, yeah.

I'm going on these Facebook groups and I'm asking different women what I should do about this with this pregnancy. I've heard from my cousin that I can't really eat that many egg. So, yeah, you think Facebook at the moment, and I would say, okay, how would you feel if we connected you to a, to a midwife who has experience working in, in, you know, these sorts of settings or even a midwife in your own country and, and you could just text her the same way you're using Facebook.

No new novel ways of communicating, just, you know, Text and voice notes. Okay. And, and she's actually trained to help you. And she said that would be great. That'd be fantastic. So, yeah, that was the fifth. How long were you on the ground and how long did you continue to, to get this up and running and, and, you know, oversee this program, this initiative?

So it was, it was an entire summer. It was right. A, I graduated from my bachelor's. I went to Pena, I went to a few other places. I went to Botswana. That was my, was my first time in Southern Africa. Very interesting stories there as well. And then, and then the part after that, you know, once we had our early users, our early adopters was to try to make a business model work and raise funds.

So back, came back to Europe, lived with my mom and try to make it happen. And how did that fundraising effort go? It was a very challenging thing because our own business model wasn't really set up in, in a way that made. Since I think, I think telemedicine is still figuring it out today. Oh yeah. I think a lot of startups have made it work by going through employers.

That's what we were trying to do, but like it was way too early. It was the wrong time, maybe even the wrong place. Kenya has a lot of regulations. Especially for digital health. So, you know, startups are making it work now and it honestly makes me so happy to see that. And I love speaking to startup in this field and, and tell them everything we did wrong and everything I would've corrected and just hand that over to them.

'cause if they're already progress beyond what we managed to do, then, then please run with it. Yeah. And yeah, this is more honestly. Yeah, obviously you have so much wisdom and knowledge to share, but if you were to go back and try to do this again, like what are one or two key things that you would've done differently than, yeah.

Honestly, I think the, the, the timing is a big part of it, so there's not much to do about that. I think when you're trying to develop too many novel things at once, that's when things go wrong and, and, and, you know, that is reflected now in the baby checker journey as well, which I'm sure we'll get to in a bit.

As well, but it's, if you're trying to like put too many novel pieces of a, you know, the technical piece, the, the business modeling piece, who your clients are, like, all of that, it's, it's all novel at once. People can't take that much newness and novelty at once, so you have to focus on one on one thing and, and also the target.

The target is field of, of healthcare. The, the thing that's the most flawed in healthcare right now is in the settings I work in. Just to make that more specific, is the silos. Everything's a silo, everything's a disease silo especially, and that's how financing works and that's how apps are built. It's all silos.

Here's our diabetes app, here's our pregnant. Here's Yeah. Funding for tuberculosis. Here's funding for malaria. Yeah. And we were trying to tackle that way too soon by being like, no, let's do like an end-to-end, like one-stop shop for everybody to, that's seeking help. Yeah. That's not necessarily a patient.

It could be you. It could be me, it could be a nurse, it could be a doctor, it be anyone. Yeah. And it was just too early like to, to be so broad about it. That's a great, that's an awesome vision. Like did, do, have you, do you have a shout out to like A telemedicine company that is, that is kind of like doing, doing something or maybe something more niche now that you've seen that's promising.

Yes. Jan in Kenya. They've definitely now passed like, so like, like a phase one or phase two challenges that many startups will face and then die. Unfortunately, I, they, they've passed that now, so they're, yeah. I think their, their ways of, of engaging with the ministry, governments, insurance companies mm-hmm.

Like really integrating into the healthcare system instead of being a a standalone app is, is probably the best thing that they, they have going for them. Yeah. Yeah. It's been interesting. This is a good segue to baby checker. Now, I read something on your website that I, I was pretty surprised to read, and it said, every day 830 women die from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.

And 80, 86% of these women are estimated maternal deaths are in Sub-Saharan Africa or Southern Asia according to the World Health Organization. So, It seems like, first of all, I mean, Buster, I don't know about you. When I read those numbers, I, I was astounded because I didn't realize that there's that many deaths every day related to this maternal deaths.

But it seems like you've learned a little bit from your experience because baby checker seems to be focused on one core thing, and that one core thing is that you can put this in the hands of people that are non-experienced. They can watch a three minute tutorial video, and after watching that video, they can begin scanning women and using this tool.

I mean, is that, is that what the focus seems to be right now in you? Exactly. It's probably one of the most specific things I've ever worked with. And it's, but how's it, how's it going? I mean, how much research was done into this? How long have you been involved into this? Oh yeah. And who's testing it right now?

In a nutshell, lots of research. I mean, a product like this, 'cause if we were talking about the digital health spectrum and digital health being, you know, when I've always worked on this, is at the more complex end of the spectrum, right? We're talking about machine learning, computer vision, software that.

You know, that's the, that's the technical aspect, but then the usability aspect is to be used by untrained, you know, not no, no specialists, no medical expert. And then the other component of that is for vulnerable communities. So there's so much complexity in this like triangle I just mentioned. So the technical complexity, who are you addressing?

Very vulnerable, you know, low income individuals and then the target user, someone who doesn't have much clinical knowledge or any really. So, so yeah, it's been many years in the making. Awesome. Can we talk a little bit about the technology that allows the baby checker to work? I mean, was this developed by a team of engineers at a university who developed this?

Yeah. So the first thing that we wanted to look into was if, if the point of care ultrasound, which is the, the new phenomenon with ultrasound in the moment is that, is that it's not a big machine anymore. It's this thing that you can plug into your mobile device. Right. Okay. The first thing we wanted to look into was, is that thing as good as the big machine.

Because otherwise you can't develop AI for the, for a source of imaging that's not as good as the gold standard. Yeah. So that was step one. That was like years ago. And, and, and, and we, you know, that was a green light obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be here. And then the other aspect was, okay, so once we're getting images from this low cost, you know, device, can we actually create an algorithm to detect things like the head circumference on its own?

And again, yes, green light, it's possible. Then, then you take it from there in a nutshell. Okay. Now on the surface, it seems like every community health organization would want baby checker and their facilities, but I'm guessing. There are some things that maybe worry health officials. If so, what are those things and Yeah.

Yeah. I think different countries will have different concerns. There's not one approach, one single approach to looking at even, even antenatal care. You know, needless to say, like there's not one approach to look at ai. I mean, we can see that all across the world right now, but, We don't even need to go that far.

There's not one approach to solving maternal mortality. Mm-hmm. So every Ministry of Health has a different strategy. For most part, the, the impression is positive because what we're building is a way that they can detect risky pregnancies way sooner, way closer to the women's house in the community by community health workers.

So for most part, it's, it's positive. The concern is, Some countries like India for example, where there are strict regulations on putting medical devices in the hands of non-professionals. You know, people who are not, who don't have specialist backgrounds. Mm-hmm. That's a concern, but, but you know, that's gonna have to be addressed as AI is coming up.

Yeah. And it's, it's getting more and more validation for being. A really effective triage tool in, in healthcare, so that's gonna have to be addressed. The concern most ministries and, and organizations I speak to is, is really on the financial side of it. There's simply not, not that much financing on, you know, community-based healthcare hospitals are finance.

Diseases are financed, but pregnancy, that's not a disease. Yeah. So it's a really weird nuance area that's really missing out from a lot of the global financing that, that some diseases get anything preventive ba basically. Right, which is under performance. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw a post on LinkedIn that you're currently doing a collaboration with the Lionheart Medi Medical Center.

Mm-hmm. In Sierra Leone. Are there any other collaborations that are coming down the pipeline right now? Yes. So some collaborations also with like, we always involved, like district government for example, in, in all the. In all the communities we work in a lot of local NGOs as well, starting to work in Uganda very soon with a large international organization.

So I'll say more about that later once we, once we get started with that project. And also some projects have come up in, you know, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Ghana. And mostly the Is, yeah, really with the hospital's like the Lion Heart Medical Center, who are small. But powerful enough to have a voice in this and say, Hey, we as a hospital, we know how impactful it would be to have these devices around the hospital so we can get more timely referrals at our hospital.

And those are really the champions we have now is, is being these hospitals speaking out and kind of leading the, the way and, you know, you need medical people to, to be the way sometimes because they're the ones people will listen to. Yeah. Yeah. Great. All right. Be before we jump into the fun rapid fire question Buster, anything to add to this?

Oh, man. Tons of things, but, but actually, but actually before we go into rapid fire questions, I, I have something kind of controversial I want to bring up just to, I mean, we've talked about this before a little bit that I think we both struggle with it. But I, I, I'm guessing you more, you're an innovator.

You're, or you're innovating in Africa, you're helping mothers, a baby checker. You're the African Director of Sigma Squares helping young impact founders in Africa. You're not natively from Africa. I. There's a long history of people going to these countries wanting to make a difference. I know you're very reflective and realistic about this stuff and you're place in this and how and why you do it.

So can you share your thoughts around this? Because I think it's very interesting. Yeah. And I think you have great ideas about it. Yeah, absolutely. I think even once I have a 20 or 30 year career in Africa, I'll never. You know, sit here and be like, I know this continent. Like I know the back of my hand.

You'll never get it. And I think that's what I know. Yeah. You know, like I said before, I know that I don't know. Yeah. And every environment I go into, I'm very, you know, I try to be as sensitive and sensible and pers and. Thoughtful, as thoughtful as I can be with whatever I know the limits of my knowledge and, and, you know, try to see what's really needed because I wait to often see innovators and, and investors as well go into projects that really have nothing to do with the tackling the actual problems.

And you can see that that's a complete disconnect between them, even engaging with people locally. And that's, that's the difference I hope I'm making, which is, you know, really, I mean Buster, you, you know this, but for the past two years, I mean, I've really been with our users. Yeah. Lots. It's very hard to get ahold of Enya because she is, she is offline in the somewhere.

Well, yeah. Yeah. I'm really, because I really, you know, I'm a very efficient. Thinker like I would, I hate waste. I hate waste. And I would hate to be working on something that is novel and cool for like Western, the Western world. Like, oh my god, ai. Yeah. Safer pregnancies in Africa. Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

But like, do they actually need that? And is it actually interesting? And when even when we talk about, oh, let's train all the midwives of Africa to. To learn how to use an ultrasound. Mm-hmm. You ask the midwives of aftercare, that's what they wanted. Yeah. And they're always missing from the dialogue. I mean, we have million like huge grants, multimillion dollar grants to tackle, you know, malaria prevention that are going to western organizations.

There's consortiums that have no, no African involvement at all. And, and so if it's just, it's about being aware of that and about involving local stakeholders in what you're doing. And, and I'm, I'm hyper aware of that and that this conversation could continue on and on, but that, that's basically where I am in, in that Yeah.

Thought process. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know you are. That's why I brought it up. Yeah. Sorry. Alright. Yeah, no, Anya. I was gonna say just approximately Amy, I know you guys are still trying to find partners to collaborate with, or you guys are actually doing that right now, but how many scans would you estimate that the baby checker has done so far?

Thousands. Thousands. In Sierra Leone, for example, every facility we're at makes a minimum of, of 500 scans a year. Or 500 women, sorry. So and so that number of scan is going up. So 500, you're scanning 500 women. The hope is that they're coming back for more scans. So that's only going up now. And what we're seeing is as soon as women in the village know, oh my God, there's this machine at the facility.

Yeah. And it can tell me if I'm having a placenta previa and if I need to go to the Lionheart Hospital, for example, and also gives me a two D image of my baby. You know, this sort of attraction and gets women coming more and more so. So, yeah, every year it's more and more per facility. Yeah. This is fascinating.

So fascinating. Alright, let's get to the rapid fire questions here. Gimme the first answer that comes to your head. Are you ready? Enya? Oh God, yes, yes, I'm ready. Okay. And Buster, try not to laugh too loud here. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Enya, what celebrity did you have a crush on as a teenager? Harry Potter.

Harry Potter. Like which movie? Oh, from the, from the get go. So yeah. I was an early adopter for when he was like eight years old. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Big fan. Okay. Okay. I did not see that one coming. All right. He. Nobody was coming out. Yeah. Okay. My next question for you, but I already know the answer, is what is a silly, a silly reason you once cried?

So we know, we know when you board a flight, when you get on a flight. Right? Okay. Yeah. That's what is something. Again, it's joy. Let, let me put that 'cause you know, 'cause that's clear to me now and to everyone who knows me, but. It's joy. Okay. Stuff crying. What is an unusual food or drink that you like to consume?

I really like chia pudding. It sounds really like really tips, but I think the texture, it's like every bite I take, I'm wondering if I like this. Have heavy, do you approve Buster? Are you a chia pudding fan? I, I, I approve. I was, I was gonna be like, is it the texture? But I like that, that you're still wondering if you like it.

And that's the photo I express myself all the time. If I like this, I'm mi I'm missing a lot of. Fiber from, from, you know, my travels and everything. So when I come back to Netherland, I love to boost myself as much as possible, and Shia pudding is my go-to. Okay. Okay. The next question, $25,000 cash or dinner with Ariana Huffington dinner.

Dinner with Ariana. Yeah. I think that the long-term returns, emotional, intellectual, and maybe financial returns will be much greater. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Okay. A favorite TV show that you can watch again and again? Favorite TV show? The Sopranos. The Sopranos. Oh, okay. Yes. I've already watched it three times, so I was jokingly gonna say Scarface, but this is very far.

I'm Little Waffle. Okay. And last question for you, the most interesting thing that you did in the last 26 days? Nothing. I, I had the day where I did nothing and that's pretty interesting. Ah, yeah. Stillness. Nothing. I laid on my floor looking at the ceiling for about 30 minutes, which is a record breaking time for me, and it was awesome.

Loved it. That sounds quite pleasant. I've never had 30 minutes to just do nothing, so that, that seems really interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I had no flight to catch, no preps to go on to. No, no suitcase to pack. Yeah, it was, it was great. I loved it. Was there any Janice Joplin playing in the background? Or, or no?

Always. Always. Okay. Alright, Inya, thank you so much for coming on. Innovators can laugh if people wanna learn more about you, what's the website or where should they go? So anyone wants to learn more about what we're doing, please go to baby checker.do.care and connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm the only on LinkedIn thing, so I think I should be easy to find.

Yeah, and that's really the easiest way to, to reach me as well. Just reach out, say hello, and yeah, we'd love the chat. All right. I'll include links to these, to this website in the show notes. Buster, before we go off, thank you so much for being a co-host. Any last comments or thoughts? Oh, well, so I have one comment.

I, I saw that you're looking for a business development intern, so I just wanted to do that call to action. Yeah. Never know. Launch and scale up a novel AI solution designed to improve maternal health. That's pretty good way in low, low income settings. That's, yeah, it sounds really sexy, so I recommend anyone to reach out to.

Yeah, anyone. Yeah, we're looking to grow the team in general, so if anyone you know that speaks to you, please reach out. I would love to Christine grow our team. Fantastic. Alright, Inya, thank you so much for being on Innovators. Come Laugh. Thank you. At a wonderful time chatting with Inya and having Buster here is my co-host.

Really made the conversation more engaging and a lot of fun. If you wanna learn more about Inea, go to ww Baby Checker. Do e l. Ft. Care links to all of this are on the show notes and on the Innovators Can Laugh website. Thank you to Enya for being on the show and to Buster for being a great co-host. If you like this episode, subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube and tell others about it.

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